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Post by xbeerdrinkerx on Dec 18, 2009 22:08:07 GMT -5
Absolutely. If there had been arrows flying at the audience and shit I would have walked out of the theater. Instead, the 3d added depth and helped the amazing world of Pandora become that much more real.
And the performances of the Na'vi....damn. They make Gollum look like a muppet, which was really surprising because they look goofy in the trailers. I think a couple renders were added on that footage or something, because it's damn near photoreal in the film.
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Dec 18, 2009 22:38:45 GMT -5
Post by Nick Taxidermy on Dec 18, 2009 22:38:45 GMT -5
if I get a chance, I'ma see it in IMAX 3d a second time. so crazy.
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Dec 18, 2009 22:40:30 GMT -5
Post by sbr on Dec 18, 2009 22:40:30 GMT -5
I wish seeing it Imax 3d was an option.
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Dec 18, 2009 22:40:59 GMT -5
Post by Nick Taxidermy on Dec 18, 2009 22:40:59 GMT -5
regular 3d is prolly also cool.
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Dec 19, 2009 2:06:40 GMT -5
Post by twhneal on Dec 19, 2009 2:06:40 GMT -5
Beautiful film. I'll remember that night for a long time. So many barriers of visual effects completely shattered.
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Dec 19, 2009 2:13:09 GMT -5
Post by Nick Taxidermy on Dec 19, 2009 2:13:09 GMT -5
this is the second time Cameron's made an epoch-defining sci-fi statement. (the first being T2, of course.) it's almost 20 years later, and he just upped the ante again.
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Dec 19, 2009 2:25:30 GMT -5
Post by twhneal on Dec 19, 2009 2:25:30 GMT -5
"Hey fellow action/sci-fi directors, it's me, Jim Cameron. I've been gone for awhile, but remember T2? Yeah, that was fun, wasn't it? Well, It's been awhile since I made that film, so I thought, now that you guys have all managed to catch up to that one, that you should all just line up and suck my dick again, and get used to that for another twenty years, because that's how long you and everyone else are going to be comparing everything you do to Avatar. Eat shit, McG. Eat shit, Mostow. I'm out."
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Dec 19, 2009 2:48:12 GMT -5
Post by Nick Taxidermy on Dec 19, 2009 2:48:12 GMT -5
"Oh yeah, Bay? I don't even gotta tell you what to eat. Homeslice."
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Dec 19, 2009 2:51:45 GMT -5
Post by twhneal on Dec 19, 2009 2:51:45 GMT -5
I just picture James Cameron finishing that speech on a webcam by throwing some sort of faux gang sign, and that makes me laugh.
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Dec 19, 2009 4:44:33 GMT -5
Post by xbeerdrinkerx on Dec 19, 2009 4:44:33 GMT -5
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Dec 19, 2009 8:47:28 GMT -5
Post by Cei on Dec 19, 2009 8:47:28 GMT -5
I don't think there's a single thing about that film I didn't like. I suppose I could whinge about a mildly predictable plot and archetypal characters, but I'm so happy to see such a well made, gorgeous blockbuster that actually has a heart that I am not going to nitpick a single thing. I just enjoyed myself too damn much.
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Dec 19, 2009 10:24:50 GMT -5
Post by xJASONx on Dec 19, 2009 10:24:50 GMT -5
Yay Cei! I'm glad you loved it as much as I did. I will admit, I almost bawled my eyes out a few times.
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Dec 19, 2009 11:06:58 GMT -5
Post by Nick Taxidermy on Dec 19, 2009 11:06:58 GMT -5
I just picture James Cameron finishing that speech on a webcam by throwing some sort of faux gang sign, and that makes me laugh. Maybe like this?
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Dec 20, 2009 22:57:15 GMT -5
Post by janna on Dec 20, 2009 22:57:15 GMT -5
I finally saw it today in 3D (IMAX was sold out everywhere ). It was absolutely gorgeous and I loved it. I'm going to see it again in IMAX, hopefully.
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Dec 21, 2009 16:42:01 GMT -5
Post by Tommy on Dec 21, 2009 16:42:01 GMT -5
this movie was so beautiful that I didn't even care that the protagonist was really lame
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Dec 21, 2009 16:54:41 GMT -5
Post by missy on Dec 21, 2009 16:54:41 GMT -5
yup. much of the criticism (predictable plot, uninspired soundtrack, heavy-handed message etc) is accurate, but none of that matters at allll because it's just so stunningly amazing to look at. and i knew almost nothing about it and had no great interest in it, going in. it doesn't matter. seriously, just go.
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Dec 21, 2009 17:19:18 GMT -5
Post by xbeerdrinkerx on Dec 21, 2009 17:19:18 GMT -5
yup. much of the criticism (predictable plot, uninspired soundtrack, heavy-handed message etc) is accurate, but none of that matters at allll because it's just so stunningly amazing to look at. and i knew almost nothing about it and had no great interest in it, going in. it doesn't matter. seriously, just go. I disagree there. I thought the story walked the line between generic and mythical, but mostly kept on the "mythical" side. The simplicity of the story served the movie well. There was too much happening on screen to be The Usual Suspects and still make sense. I also don't think it was the CGI that was so great about it, but the imagination that went into creating the world. It was like a Discovery Channel special on another planet.
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Dec 21, 2009 17:27:24 GMT -5
Post by janna on Dec 21, 2009 17:27:24 GMT -5
The animals were awesome. I loved the little helicopter bugs that just kinda spun around and squeaked.
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Dec 21, 2009 18:36:48 GMT -5
Post by twhneal on Dec 21, 2009 18:36:48 GMT -5
Thing is, a lot of really great directors don't tell particularly original stories. Look at Scorsese. He tells very generic, predictable stories, but tells them *his* way, which is usually pretty damned awesome.
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Dec 21, 2009 19:08:38 GMT -5
Post by missy on Dec 21, 2009 19:08:38 GMT -5
I disagree there. I thought the story walked the line between generic and mythical, but mostly kept on the "mythical" side. The simplicity of the story served the movie well. There was too much happening on screen to be The Usual Suspects and still make sense. I also don't think it was the CGI that was so great about it, but the imagination that went into creating the world. It was like a Discovery Channel special on another planet. hmm, i don't disagree with any of what you're saying. maybe i didn't convey what i meant very well. while i wouldn't argue with the validity of the points the critics tend to make, i think they're missing something huge by taking it apart and assessing the value of the individual pieces outside the context of the whole experience. it's an archetypal story with archetypal characters, and for this movie i think that's completely appropriate. it makes for a very simple skeleton on which to flesh out this incredibly real experiential world, without distractions. i felt completely absorbed into it as an experience, and i think if there'd been a more complex plot to track or the jolt of big surprises on that level, it actually would've lessened the impact on the visceral level where i was completely immersed in it. that's actually what i meant with what i said before. if you still disagree, can you spell out for me exactly where?
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Dec 21, 2009 19:23:23 GMT -5
Post by Deleted on Dec 21, 2009 19:23:23 GMT -5
I loved it!
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Dec 21, 2009 19:23:33 GMT -5
Post by xbeerdrinkerx on Dec 21, 2009 19:23:33 GMT -5
I'm with you on all that.
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Dec 21, 2009 20:27:14 GMT -5
Post by Emma on Dec 21, 2009 20:27:14 GMT -5
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Dec 22, 2009 0:26:49 GMT -5
Post by AlexD336 on Dec 22, 2009 0:26:49 GMT -5
Im waiting for someone to say something bad about it.
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Dec 22, 2009 2:03:57 GMT -5
Post by twhneal on Dec 22, 2009 2:03:57 GMT -5
Shame it was so racist and homophobic! Eh?
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Dec 22, 2009 2:22:10 GMT -5
Post by Cei on Dec 22, 2009 2:22:10 GMT -5
Thing is, a lot of really great directors don't tell particularly original stories. Look at Scorsese. He tells very generic, predictable stories, but tells them *his* way, which is usually pretty damned awesome. Word.
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Dec 22, 2009 3:38:26 GMT -5
Post by xbeerdrinkerx on Dec 22, 2009 3:38:26 GMT -5
Shame it was so racist and homophobic! Eh? I can see a mild racist or at least US-centric (Canadacentric?) view going on in the flick. You have the white man who screws over the indigenous people, then ends up not only becoming one of them, but their savior. It's the white guilt wet-dream in all the wrong ways. It didn't really bother me though. I think Cameron's heart was totally in the right place. But I did notice it.
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Dec 22, 2009 3:49:26 GMT -5
Post by twhneal on Dec 22, 2009 3:49:26 GMT -5
It is fully understood that the Navii are a fictional people? James Cameron is being accused of having a racially biased attitude towards a race he made up?
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Dec 22, 2009 4:15:04 GMT -5
Post by xbeerdrinkerx on Dec 22, 2009 4:15:04 GMT -5
I don't think that really relates to what I was saying. It's the idea that a native population (who are OBVIOUSLY supposed to represent Native Americans, btw) needs to be "saved" by a white protagonist right after he fucked them over. It's not enough for Worthington's character to apologize and help out, he actually becomes their leader and savior, thereby apparently clearing him of any wrongdoing.
Anyway, I'm not going to write a big treatise on this, because I don't think it was a super big issue. Just something that nagged a little at the back of my mind. I shouldn't have even brought it up.
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Dec 22, 2009 4:55:21 GMT -5
Post by dave on Dec 22, 2009 4:55:21 GMT -5
I honestly still don't have much of a desire to see this. Whatever.
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