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Post by Droneth on Mar 26, 2011 0:37:47 GMT -5
I actually liked this episode quite a bit. The proposal was adorable. Also: "If you are in costume, you did something wrong. If at any point you find yourself tying the ring to a dog's collar, stop, and look at yourself."
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Post by Cheryl Prime on Mar 27, 2011 15:50:08 GMT -5
Awww, the proposal was so cute. I might have had a little bit of a moment about it.
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Post by Casey on Apr 14, 2011 23:35:37 GMT -5
I really don't get why people think Will Ferrell is funny . This episode is so bad.
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Post by Super Nintendo Chalmers on Apr 15, 2011 0:27:17 GMT -5
You know, I didn't hate his character. I think I might like him more if Farrell played it more straight, though. What totally killed it for me was the ridiculous way everyone else inexplicably fell over themselves (literally, in Andy's case) to impress him. It was just...weird, and not funny at all.
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Post by Adam! on Apr 15, 2011 1:03:39 GMT -5
not impressed.
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Post by Casey on Apr 15, 2011 20:06:01 GMT -5
I think I hated it a lot more than I would have because for some reason I kept thinking Will Arnett was going to be replacing Steve Carrell and Will Ferrell is no Will Arnett.
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Post by Super Nintendo Chalmers on Apr 15, 2011 20:09:00 GMT -5
Will Arnett will be in the season finale. I would be incredibly happy if he ended up being the new boss.
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Post by JAN! on Apr 16, 2011 8:25:03 GMT -5
Yeah, but Will Arnett is ten minutes from being Will Ferrell. He's just been doing his one character for less time. It'd be great if they found someone who hasn't been over saturated already.
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Post by Adam! on Apr 22, 2011 23:46:35 GMT -5
Surprisingly really enjoyed last nights episode. Michael tearing up was awesome, and Erin breaking up with Gabe was fantastic.
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Post by Super Nintendo Chalmers on Apr 29, 2011 0:58:14 GMT -5
Okay, I had high expectations for Steve Carell's last episode, and they absolutely, 100% nailed it. I was choked up at the end. Ending it with him saying goodbye to Pam at the airport was PERFECT. I've always loved the relationship between those two. Doing the Lost In Translation thing was really good too. This was the part that got me the most teary-eyed.
I'm not sure why they did an extended episode, because that side stuff with D'Angelo was shitty and pointless. It broke up the momentum of the rest of the episode.
I think my favorite part was Michael cracking up at the gift he gave Oscar.
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Post by Adam! on Apr 29, 2011 1:05:24 GMT -5
i agree, i caught myself tearing up at various moments. random thoughts how good would it be if Gabe was the Scranton Strangler? He was crazy this episode. The advice Michael gave Erin was so good, he became a father figure to her so quickly. I love how mature Michael got in this episode, it was perfect. He was great the whole episode, and when he took off the mic at the end... awww. Deangelo fucking sucks. I get that he's supposed to be a dick, and only for a few episode. But Will Ferrel is so shitty it just doesn't work. I hated Michael so much in so many episodes. I thought he was despicable for so many minor things he did, but Deangelo is all yelling and sight gags. Fucking annoying. uhhh, Jim/Michael's goodbye so good. Michael will be missed.
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Post by Super Nintendo Chalmers on Apr 29, 2011 1:28:39 GMT -5
I agree that this was Michael at his best. He was awkward and inappropriate without being obnoxious, while still being endearing and sweet (I loved the part where he was depressed and despondent, and then instantly perked up when he called Holly. Awww). The whole thing was so well-written in the way that his goodbyes were perfect little microcosms of each character.
The only interesting thing about D'Angelo is how he's terrible at the one thing Michael was best at: sales.
Oh, and I loved Dwight and Jim's shared "uh-oh" at the very end, hahaha.
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Post by avon on Apr 29, 2011 10:39:53 GMT -5
I don't wanna be a debbie downer, but I actually felt the exact opposite of most everything you guys said right now (except the non-Michael stuff). - Even a sincere Michael is still going to be 100% full of himself. - Will Ferrell has been a huuuuuuge let down. - The ending seemed cheap and insincere to me. - Jim is really bad at conveying emotion. He's become my least favorite character on the show since the baby. - Not enough Ryan and Kelly. - No David!
I just thought that there was too much emphasis on continuing the story past Michael and not enough emphasis on Michael, which is usually what they do when a major character exits (think ER). I just got a huge "uh oh, our show is fucked" vibe the entire time. Obviously, Will Ferrell isn't going to stick around, so I don't even know why they're bothering trying to build his character. And the stuff with Gabe is good, but I don't think it should have carried into this episode.
One thing I will say is that I was super happy at how Michael treated Dwight even though I felt it to be a bit out of character for both. His recommendation was really sweet and their paintball game looked like 2 friends just messing around. It honestly kinda felt like Michael was giving his recommendation to the audience and letting us know not to count out Dwight as the new manager. To be honest, I was like "ugh, anyone but Dwight. His schtick is getting tired." The more I think about it, though, I think he'd make a good fit. He's quirky and weird but he always gets the job done. I think bringing in someone new may change up the pace of the show for the worst like Will Ferrell and David Koechner's characters have done. Rainn Wilson knows the ins and outs of the show better than anyone and I think can keep some familiarity but also bring a new dynamic, which the show needs. Plus, I think that Dwight and Jim can rekindle their feud. And maybe Gabe can disappear because he really doesn't bring much to the show.
On a side note, the way Michael laughed at the shitty scarecrow he made for Oscar had me rolling. (so not all of that was bad; I just don't agree with the episode being a good send-off) </novel>
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Post by Super Nintendo Chalmers on Apr 29, 2011 11:07:55 GMT -5
I don't wanna be a debbie downer, but I actually felt the exact opposite of most everything you guys said right now (except the non-Michael stuff). - Even a sincere Michael is still going to be 100% full of himself. - The ending seemed cheap and insincere to me. - Jim is really bad at conveying emotion. He's become my least favorite character on the show since the baby.
-Yeah, I still disagree. I think the fact that he decided to leave early showed that he didn't want to make a spectacle of his departure (and this is a guy who used to make a spectacle out of EVERYTHING), though I think it was mostly about his wanting to avoid the hardest goodbyes. -I don't really get why you think it was "cheap and insincere." Like I said, the Pam/Michael dynamic has been one of my favorite things about the show, and I thought the way they wrapped it up was really true to those characters. -I agree with Jim being a douche since the baby was born (and Pam too, to an extent), and I'm not sure how much of that is intentional (for a while they've been showing that he's not as great as he thinks he is) and how much is bad writing. I think his goodbye with Michael was fitting, though.
I also agree that Dwight taking over is a better idea than it used to be, for the reasons you said.
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Post by avon on Apr 29, 2011 13:02:26 GMT -5
I guess I don't need to spoiler tag this: One thing that's really bothered me is Jim and Pam's relationship. If I were pinpoint an exact shark jump moment, I'd point right at their wedding. The show hasn't been the same since, in my opinion. I was talking to my wife about this last night and it's kinda weird how much the show kinda made the decision that it would be the Jim & Pam relationship show for like 3 seasons. Michael wasn't even the focus of the show for a couple seasons there. And that's cool and all. The way their relationship grew was really well done. They genuinely seemed like great friends who really bonded. But ever since their wedding, I just don't feel like their relationship has grown. They've gotten married and they've had a baby and they don't seem like a married couple with a child. They basically seem like acquaintances who occasionally babysit. Like I said earlier, Jim has become one of my least favorite characters whereas he used to be one of my favorite. It just seems like his schtick is up. And it's not even so much to me that he's not being shown as great of a guy anymore. It's just that Krazinski kinda plays him a little too straight for my taste, which gets old. I mean, even Dwight's character has evolved into a more emotionally complex person. But... I think that the Andy/Erin thing might be groomed into the next big thing. And I think they totally deserve it. Andy isn't exactly the most complex character, but he has a lot of room for growth because of that. Add to the fact that he now has Michael's biggest contacts, and you've got yourself unlimited potential. He is now competition for the other salespeople. He's still one of Dwight's nemeses. He's in a love triangle. Andy is definitely going to get a lot more focus this next season, and I think that's pretty rad. And Erin...well, she's basically replacing Pam as the stand-out female character. Pam is starting to become about as important as Angela in seasons 3-4. Also, Erin is super hot. I don't think anyone can deny that this move marks the beginning of the end. It's a matter of time before other actors start jumping ship. Which route do they take? Do they beat a dead horse like Scrubs? Do they water down what we've come to love like The Simpsons? Do they make drastic moves and get a new audience like ER? Who knows? I'm hoping they do like ER or House and tweak the show just enough to keep me watching without it getting stale, but without doing something stupid like Scrubs entire Season 9. Actually, as a joke, I think they should have Ted McGinley be the new boss. That would rule so hard.
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Post by Super Nintendo Chalmers on Apr 29, 2011 13:33:51 GMT -5
Yeah, they backed themselves into a corner with Jim and Pam's characters; it feels like they just don't know what to do with them anymore. There's been fun little moments here and there (them getting drunk and looking for a place to do it in the office, Pam's little coup to become "office administrator"), but yeah, they've gotten stale.
You're right: Andy becoming a bigger focus is going to be good for the show. I still don't know how I feel about Erin's character though. I think they make her a little too dumb sometimes, and I like her more when she's naive, but sweet.
I never even thought of Ted McGinley as the new boss, but holy shit that would be awesome.
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Post by diestarsdie on Apr 29, 2011 22:58:14 GMT -5
uh wow, that transphobic joke in the most recent episode? wtf
EDIT: actually, multiple, between the bathroom thing and the "you look like a transvestite."
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Post by JAN! on Apr 30, 2011 10:40:28 GMT -5
I didn't particularly care for the departure episode, and kind of tuned out for a lot of it.
The show came full circle on Carell's star power, and it seemed like instead of doing a departure that was in line with the character they had to do a 180 and try to make him smart, kind and likable because the actor appears to be these things.
Which is kind of my best hope for the new boss- it can go back to a situation where a character isn't overshadowed by the actor at the expense of the basic premise of the show (working sucks, especially for an asshole boss.)
It kind of ties in to the transphobic joke- the show seems to have fundamentally shifted from being a show that was written by the figurative little guy, to written by people who have become "bosses." The joke is less on the actual boss in the show, and more mean jokes at the expense of others.
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Post by diestarsdie on Apr 30, 2011 12:43:02 GMT -5
Totally. Earlier in the series, when there were jokes about Oscar being gay or Kevin being fat, etc, it was more about laughing with them at Michael's utter fail in handling the issues. Now, it seems to be a lot more about laughing at them, which beyond being offensive is just bad comedy. I found Michael's last episode to be really unfunny, though I'm kind of bewildered that I've been finding Will Ferrell as DeAngelo funny, because I hate him in almost everything else. I still don't know how I feel about Erin's character though. I think they make her a little too dumb sometimes, and I like her more when she's naive, but sweet. So true - along with everything else you and Avon were discussing about characters becoming stale. I'll be pretty amazed if the show is really able to make a comeback from that at this point.
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Post by Super Nintendo Chalmers on Apr 30, 2011 13:11:39 GMT -5
I'm kind of bewildered that I've been finding Will Ferrell as DeAngelo funny, because I hate him in almost everything else. Ha, it's so weird that we're completely the opposite on this.
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Post by Tanya on May 1, 2011 19:24:49 GMT -5
I don't even think I got halfway through the series, like up until Pam gets pregnant I think. I'm like astonished that they've managed to squeeze more episodes out of the show after that. And fucking Michael Scott leaves and they keep going? What?
This is definitely stuff you guys all probably talked about three years ago but I'm bored and wanted to post.
Also I don't know who Sandro! is.
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Post by Super Nintendo Chalmers on May 1, 2011 19:25:57 GMT -5
It's Justin.
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Post by Super Nintendo Chalmers on May 6, 2011 1:44:44 GMT -5
Tonight's episode was pretty godawful. It almost felt like a threat: "This is what the show would be like if Will Ferrell was the boss. Fucking terrible, isn't it?" Really, really unfunny. Well, except for this: And her hilariously bad idea for a young adult novel. The one good thing about this episode (and the last few episodes in general) is that I really like Dwight as a character again.
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Post by Adam! on May 6, 2011 3:31:55 GMT -5
I hated that they (unless I missed it) never mentioned Michael ONCE, the entire episode. They even replaced him with Deangelo in the opening credits, turning his little statue.
Fuck that.
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Post by avon on May 6, 2011 9:11:31 GMT -5
Not gonna lie. I have absolutely no interest in watching the rest of the season.
Was that intended, NBC?
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Post by Super Nintendo Chalmers on May 6, 2011 9:42:12 GMT -5
Like, I guess I get taking Carrell out of the credits. They want to move on, fine. But adding in Will Ferrell on his last episode just feels like a slap in the face.
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Post by Super Nintendo Chalmers on May 13, 2011 0:51:44 GMT -5
I actually liked tonight's episode. I loved all the stuff in Dwight's office, and when Toby got excited about finally getting to use his "gun violence" accident forms.
There's a big rumor that we find out in the finale that Gabe is the Scranton Strangler.
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Post by Casey on May 13, 2011 1:01:29 GMT -5
That would suck, I love Gabe. Plus isn't he from Tallahassee, how would that even work.
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Post by avon on May 13, 2011 10:07:16 GMT -5
The big twist is that the writers use that as a metaphor for the DM sell-off "killing" the show.
Snaaaap.
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Post by Emma on May 14, 2011 6:19:49 GMT -5
OK so I stopped watching this show halfway through season 6 but I heard so much about Michael's last episode that I marathoned the whole thing in a couple of days.
I thought I wasn't going to be sad about him leaving but I criiiiiiied. I agree about Jim being horrible at showing emotion though. The only reason I noticed he was crying was that his eyes were red.
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