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Post by Mr. Keichi on Mar 12, 2012 15:17:55 GMT -5
As in BBC Sherlock! Uhhh.. this is going to be packed full of spoilers so I'll tag this post but I don't really think spoiler tagging all of the posts would make sense since this all aired a while ago? But just in case. Okay so: THAT IS ALL I WANT TO DO ALSO. How do you think Sherlock did it? What do you think the earpiece in John's ear was for? HOW MUCH DID YOU CRY AT JOHN'S LITTLE MILITARY TURN AT THE CEMETERY? 1. I was so distraught, obviously.. like I knew it was him but I had hoped for some reason that he had really chucked Moriarty down there or something dressed up as him and with John being kept away and us not being able to see his face I made myself believe it wasn't him just enough until they rolled him over and then yeah bloody Sherlock hahah. alksdfj;as. An audible, pained, sad sad 'nooooo' came out of me hahahah.
I saw some theories about him jumping into a laundry truck that when by or something? I just.. don't know how that is possible I don't knoooow. I'm wondering if he asked Molly for a bag of blood or something to cover himself with to make it look more convincing once he was down there?
Sara (knightmare) told me that she thinks all the people swarmed around him were his homeless network, there to keep John away/hit him with the bike so he could pull it off. Whatever 'it' is hahahah.
2. Totally didn't even notice the earpiece in John's ear judas there was so much happening hahahah. I plan on rewatching the entire show but I think I'm going to rewatch the last episode tonight if I get some spare time.
3. God god god the cemetery scene. Thankfully (sort of..) I had seen John's line that went along the lines of 'do one more thing for me, stop all of this from happening' so I spent all my time preparing for it so I wouldn't cry hahahha. Destroyed me from the inside out, though, judas.
Okay and when the camera cut to show Sherlock watching John.. ugh UGH ugh. I think I've never fallen for a show this hard before?
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Post by Emma on Mar 12, 2012 15:51:10 GMT -5
OK OK OK
So I reckon Molly either got a body and she and the homeless network got it to the road outside Bart's and Sherlock jumped into the lorry because the lorry wasn't there when John was on the phone to him and then after he'd been hit by the guy on the bike it was there.
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Sherlock somehow survived the fall and then made it seem like he was dead with some bloody from Molly. And earlier when he was in the lab he was flipping a ball under his hand and apparently if you squeeze a ball under your elbow it can cut off your pulse at your wrist. And when John took his pulse there was already someone's hand on his neck so he had to take it at his wrist. And the guy on the bike hitting John could have dazed him enough that he wouldn't realise or process things quickly enough.
Either way Sherlock made sure John stayed where he was so that the homeless network or whoever could sort out stuff on the ground without John getting too close.
The only thing I can't explain is the fucking earpiece that falls out of John's ear. I mean, is it as simple as it was just Freeman wearing it so they could feed him his lines? It can't be right? I mean it's DIRECTLY in the shot, they take too much care over the show for them to miss that. But then what was it for? Did Sherlock intend to let John know that he wasn't really dead but then he couldn't? But then how did it get in his ear in the first place? I'm pretty sure even Sherlock couldn't sneak an earpiece into someone's ear, and if he'd told John to wear it John would have known something was up.
Moffat tweeted that all the Sherlock theories he'd read had missed one crucial thing, something that Sherlock did that was completely out of character. BUT EVERYTHING HE DID WAS OUT OF CHARACTER. He cried, which could have been a side effect from something to slow his pulse down? He was holding his phone behind his back when he was talking to Moriarty and then before he jumped he laughed and threw it back onto the roof, so maybe he recorded the conversation so he could prove Moriarty was real? I DON'T KNOW AND I HAVE TEN MONTHS AT LEAST TO OBSESS ABOUT IT.
Also yeah this thread is going to contain spoilers.
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Post by Mr. Keichi on Mar 12, 2012 16:52:39 GMT -5
Okay good I really didn't want to spoiler tag this entire thread so anyway.
Totally makes sense, the body being used. Like if somebody was able to toss it from one of the windows below him while he jumped further but from where John was he couldn't see it happen.
I think you're right about the pulse thing too, completely. I didn't notice the ball but I'm pretty sure I've heard that too. Wow I really need to rewatch this episode hahahhaha. I had so much adrenaline going when I finished, it's a wonder I even remember what happened.
Anyway yeah no there haaaas to be something with that earpiece, I can't imagine they would be so sloppy about getting him his lines, yeah? Especially when they know we're going to be analyzing that specific scene for a YEAR. I'm going to keep an eye open for that, to see when it shows up.
And right it was all so out of character, judas. Especially the crying.. that is when I cried hahhahaha.
Also I am thinking the camera Sherlock found in the apartment might come into play? We see him find it and he sits there and plays with it while he talks to John and then we don't see him do anything with it at all, not destroy it or throw it away or anything. It's just.. the way they had him inspecting it made it look like he was planning to do something with it.
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Post by Emma on Mar 13, 2012 13:50:57 GMT -5
Ooh, I didn't think of the camera thing.
I keep wondering how they're going to resolve it, apparently in the books Sherlock pretends to be dead for three years. If they make John wait that long I will kill everyone. I can't even take the thought of him sitting by himself in the flat looking at Sherlock's empty chair.
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Post by Mr. Keichi on Mar 13, 2012 14:31:17 GMT -5
I watched the last scene again to look for the earpiece and couldn't really come up with anything.. I read a few people speculating it was just there so he could react in real time to what Sherlock was saying, you know? I don't knooooow.
Yeah no will not be able to handle Sherlockless John for even a full episode, they better resolve it quickly hahahhahah.
I read theories for three hours last night hahahha. I got on some person's tumblr and read just about everything they had to say, and then went to google looking for more. I didn't see anybody say anything about the camera though so maybe I was just looking into something that wasn't there.
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Post by Jessticles on Mar 13, 2012 16:33:06 GMT -5
I'm just going to ignore everything Sherlock until they announce they are coming back because otherwise I am going to go crazy. I hate when they leave you with such a big OMG at the end and then such a big space until the next season.
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Post by Emma on Mar 13, 2012 17:00:19 GMT -5
That's just the way British tv is unfortunately. But I feel like they make up for it by having three beautiful films instead of 22 half-thought episodes. I shouldn't imagine the next series will be out this year, not with Freeman being the fucking Hobbit and Cumberbatch being in every single thing ever and Moffat doing Who.
I tried to think who my favourite character was and I think it turns out that it's all of them. I don't think I've ever seen a tv show in which all the main characters are wonderful and awesome and such real people. Except maybe Anderson.
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Post by Mr. Keichi on Mar 13, 2012 17:36:37 GMT -5
GOD I love how much Sherlock doesn't like him hahahah. 'Anderson, don't talk out loud. You lower the IQ of the whole street.'
I'm having a seriously hard time picking just one, too. They're all just.. good.
And yeah I mean obviously I wish there was more for me to watch, but each episode being so long and well done and perfect seems like their effort was all well placed.
Cumberbatch is seriously popping up everywhere now hahhaha. Busy dude.
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Post by JAN! on Mar 13, 2012 18:05:11 GMT -5
I really liked the first series, but haven't seen the second. I'm just waiting for it to come to Netflix streaming.
It's just super fun and interesting. There's just not a lot out there like it.
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Post by Mr. Keichi on Mar 13, 2012 18:58:43 GMT -5
I wish Netflix would get the second already, seriously. I was going to rewatch the last episode of the second season but the site I watched it on took it down.
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Post by Mindy on Mar 13, 2012 21:31:06 GMT -5
kt if you want another place to watch, watch series dot eu is excellent. Each episode has several links to choose from so there should always be at least one that works.
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Post by Mr. Keichi on Mar 13, 2012 21:44:23 GMT -5
That's where I got it from hahahhah. I tried maybe ten links before I found one that worked, and then internet said no. I was thinking about going through them again but Sara will be here in a couple days and she's going to give them to me so I will just have to be patient al;ksdjf.
But thank you! When I saw your name I knew you were going to pop in with some help. I'm just glad you didn't suggest a torrent site because I just do not understand torrents and am embarrassed about it hahahhaha.
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Post by Emma on Mar 14, 2012 15:48:13 GMT -5
fairway-frank.tumblr.com/post/16326484050/textsfrombakerstreetThis may be of interest to you. I keep thinking about how Mycroft and Sherlock have similar colouring except for their hair, because obvs Cumberbatch is a natural ginge. I reckon Sherlock dyes it to look cool. ON THAT NOTE, have you seen the unaired pilot? I can't bring myself to watch it. I love the finished version too much to see it in it's embryonic stages.
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Post by Mr. Keichi on Mar 14, 2012 17:13:20 GMT -5
I've not! But I will hopefully be watching it tomorrow night. My friend Sara has season one and is coming here for the weekend so she's going to bring it and I assume we are going to end up watching the entire show together hahahhaha.
I was actually just wondering today what his natural hair color was, I figured he was way lighter because unless he's Sherlock I've never seen it dark but the dark just looks so good on him.
Uhhhhhhh and thank you thank you forever for the links GOD I owe you one.
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Post by Emma on Mar 15, 2012 11:47:41 GMT -5
Ooh, maybe I'll make myself watch it then and we can compare notes.
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Post by Emma on Mar 15, 2012 11:57:05 GMT -5
Also, can we talk favourite characters please? I've cycled through all of them by now but at the moment I'm all about Mycroft. He just seems so sad as a character, you know? He can control the entire government BUT HE CAN'T CONTROL HIS BROTHER. I just think about them as children, both being precise, perfect sniping dickheads to each other, and then them growing up and Mycroft having to watch Sherlock have a drug addiction and get himself out of it. And then Sherlock gets one friend, probably the only friend he's ever had, and John can influence Sherlock and know him in ways that Mycroft never ever could. It's just so sad to think about. And then at the end of Reichenbach when he reads about Sherlock's death in the paper, OH GODDDDDD. That steepled-hand look just kills me.
I don't know if this is too far to get invested in fictional characters or what.
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Post by Mr. Keichi on Mar 15, 2012 12:05:56 GMT -5
I am going to say it is, but only because I am just as invested and feel ridiculous for it hahahha. I've never gotten THIS into a tv show. But I can't stop so oh well. That's such a good breakdown of their relationship hahah . I rewatched the first episode the other night and knowing who he was from the beginning (I'm assuming that was obvious to people who know anything about Sherlock but I've not so much as read a summary of any of the stories so I went in completely blind) made the entire thing with John just so much better hahhaha. It's really sweet, trying to keep tabs on Sherlock without making it look like it's coming from a place of love or anything, just like he wants to make sure he's behaving or something. And the more I see Molly, the more I love her. Her no questions asked willingness to help him at the end.. ugh. She didn't even ask why he needed her, she was just there. UGH. And Lestrade is just so goddamn funny.
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Post by Emma on Mar 15, 2012 12:28:55 GMT -5
God I fancy Lestrade so much. When he follows them down to Baskerville and he's all tanned and out of his work clothes, PHWOAR. I'm just saying, I would bone Greg Lestrade. I'm pretty sure Molly is actually the best character. She's a good person and she's nice and she's good at her job and she's a good friend. And it's interesting to see her relationship to Sherlock, she's the only person in the whole thing who doesn't need him for anything, she just hangs around him because she likes him, even though he's an absolute wanker to her. I read a pretty good article that pretty much sums up my feelings on Molly way better than I ever could. Also the actress that plays her, Loo Brealey, is pretty much amazing and awesome and basically I love her. I LOVE TALKING ABOUT SHERLOCK SO MUCH.
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Post by Eankam on Mar 15, 2012 19:19:06 GMT -5
but Sara will be here in a couple days and she's going to give them to me so I will just have to be patient al;ksdjf. THE TIME HAS COME.
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Post by Mr. Keichi on Mar 15, 2012 19:20:36 GMT -5
That Molly article is sooooooo so good, she summed it up so perfectly. Molly is.. the more I think about her, the more I love her. Awesome point about her not needing him too, she's just.. there because she wants to be. It killed me when Sherlock noticed the Christmas present and was analyzing it and announced to the room how much the person it was going to meant to her so I'm super glad they broke that up with the moaning text tone hahahah. And yeah the more I watch Lestrade the better he gets. Completely with you on banging him too hahahhaha. He is perfect older guy hot. but Sara will be here in a couple days and she's going to give them to me so I will just have to be patient al;ksdjf. THE TIME HAS COME. I physically held season one and I just wanted to cry I want it so badly hahhaha. Soooo soo so excited to get to watch it with somebody else hahhaha.
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Post by Mr. Keichi on Mar 15, 2012 22:59:22 GMT -5
Okay Emma if you're up for watching the pilot I really want to know what you think of it vs. A Study In Pink.
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Post by Emma on Mar 16, 2012 11:20:17 GMT -5
Ok I'm downloading it now. Do you have twitter? Are you amenable to me liveblogging this? Poss in caps? ADD ME @dangerpoint
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Post by Mr. Keichi on Mar 16, 2012 11:29:15 GMT -5
Request sent!
Liveblogging is basically necessary for this because I want to see what you think about all the little plot changes, not to mention the 823740392 changes in detail there are hahahah. The entire time I was just bothering Sara with 'hey THAT wasn't like that in the first episode.. neither was that.. hey that's different.. wonder why they changed this' hahhaha. I liked it a lot more than I thought I would.
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Post by Emma on Mar 16, 2012 11:39:01 GMT -5
Haha awesome. I don't know if I can take seeing Baker Street all forlorn and undecorated though. I'm going to watch it later and direct all my fangirling directly to you so my followers don't burn me at the stake. ALSO: have you seen wearsherlock.tumblr.com/ ? If only I had like fifty grand to spare, I would buy every single thing.
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Post by Mr. Keichi on Mar 16, 2012 11:42:22 GMT -5
It really.. yeah the new Baker Street is better in about every single way hahhahah. Visually, the actual episode wins completely, I think. But there are some super interesting plot changes that I'm so excited for you to see hahahha.
Noooo my god I wanna dress like Sherlock. The JACKETS.
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Post by Emma on Mar 16, 2012 13:40:53 GMT -5
OK PILOT WATCH COMMENCING
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Post by Emma on Mar 16, 2012 15:46:39 GMT -5
OK I have watched it. Apologies for the tweet spam, I was as restrained as I could be. MY THOUGHTS, LET ME TELL YOU THEM.
Firstly, we're just going to have to leave aside how fucking BUDGET the whole thing looked because otherwise we'd be here all night.
I think the most striking difference is the acting, Sherlock seemed more like a normal person with more normal mannerisms. He talked much slower in the explanation monologues, but especially when he was talking to John about Harry and the phone compared to when he was talking about the dead pink woman. It made him seem like he tried to connect to people more, he slowed it down so he could actually communicate with them instead of blurting his entire consciousness out whether or not there was someone else in the room or not. Also he looked more like a normal person with normal colouring. In the final thing they really played up his alien face and the character as a whole seems more distant.
AND CAN WE TALK ABOUT JOHN PLEASE. All the war stuff was really rushed and his kind of bleak sadness wasn't as prominent. Also he looked way more like Martin Freeman the person instead of a character. I think it was all the open necked shirts, it made him look too casual. In the series he's always really buttoned up and neat.
What the fuck was with that mills and boon shot of Sherlock on the roof and John looking up at him sighing please? And also at the end with the blanket, Sherlock kept SMILING and asking John if he was alright. The fuck was that about? I much prefer them awkwardly sidestepping the fact that they're boyfrans.
So the main stuff that was missing was the stuff with Mycroft, which I really felt the absence of. It was a huge thing to show John's quick loyalty and his character under stress, and without that he seemed a bit one dimensional. And without the chase scene with Sherlock the episode was more about Sherlock on his own, whereas the final one was about the way they work together, even if they've only known each other a day. I keep thinking about what the show would have been like if it had been like this, and the entire tone would have been completely different.
It's weird, the show in it's embryonic stages seemed much more like a normal bbc or itv drama to me. Like it seemed like something that would have been on but not got that much attention because it was just another run of the mill slightly bleak british drama. But with all the beautiful cinematography and the acting and the set and costume design it lifted the whole thing into what's probably now the best british tv show of the last decade. God, everyone involved in this needs to win ten Baftas.
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Post by Mr. Keichi on Mar 16, 2012 17:34:12 GMT -5
Your tweets were killing me dude hahhahah. But YES you could tell just how much.. I don't know more money I guess was put into the final thing hahahha. Like the lab he was in vs. that junky little computer lab in the pilot.
I can't believe how much better that extra half an hour made the show. Like I keep thinking about American tv shows that could be sort of compared to this, crime solving dramas or whatever, and the humor is just.. l;akdjf;. I mean it is bad anyway, but now that I've seen this I just don't want to bother with any of ours anymore hahahha. I don't know if you've ever watched any of our shows like CSI or SVU, but the humor is so packed full of puns and just awful. And the Sherlock we're apparently making is going to packed with TERRIBLE humor and I am going to get mad. This one is funny in such.. I don't know there is so much subtle humor in glances or snide comments or whatever, but also things that are done just for humor's sake and it's all so genuinely funny and good.
ANYWAY the pilot.. yeah the tone was just so different! And I do like the final version better in pretty much all ways (I mean really did you even think their flat was cluttered when they first got there because I thought they decided to add that part to the final episode until they said the lines) but I did kind of like how Sherlock figured out it was the cabbie? Because when I watched the final episode the first time I was so confused as to why they only checked the passenger when they stopped, not the driver, because I realized they were looking for a cabbie and if I knew it Sherlock definitely should have hahhahah. But how John saves him in the final version is so much better, the buildup and everything. Tracking the phone, running around the building, screaming for him through the windows.. ugh. And I think the scene where he was in shock was so much better, how haphazardly the blanket was put on him and chucking it into the car as they left. OH and Lestrade asking Sherlock if he beat the cabbie felt really.. off. Like if anybody was going to ask that question, it would have been Sherlock himself. Or maybe John I guess.
And now that I think about it you're right, you get SO much less out of John in the pilot. Like you almost couldn't understand why he would take the shot for Sherlock, he hardly seemed invested because you didn't get to see how loyal of a dude he is. Also I had to google 'mills and boon' but now that I know what it is I agree hahahha. I thought showing Sherlock on cool, showing that he just ran off to chase a lead, but John was staring at him for SO LONG and I thought for sure Sherlock was going to see him and we were going to see a moment.. awkward or boyfran I don't know hahah.
Definitely missed the Mycroft stuff too, getting to see the fighting sibling side of Sherlock was really awesome I thought, especially because he called everybody else stupid or ignorant so many times in that episode in particular. Plus Mycroft is just great hahahah.
Adding the extra half an hour, I seriously can't believe how much that does hahahah. I'm so glad it happened though. It allows them to make the plots so much more intricate and there is SO MUCH detail in everything, and you get much more backstory on everybody and relationships can develop more fully and it's just so much better. I'm not sure if I could say there is another tv show I like more.
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Post by Emma on Mar 16, 2012 18:18:26 GMT -5
OK HOLD UP. I've just read a thing saying that the new series is going to start shooting in early 2013, which means it won't be out for at least another six months after that. GO ON WITHOUT ME.
Uuugggh, the CBS thing looks awful doesn't it? I just hope they know that it's never going to get past the pilot stage. There's just so many things wrong with it, even if Lucy Liu is awesome and should be in everything.
I think if they'd made the rest of the show in the style of the pilot, I probs wouldn't have even been bothered about watching it at all. The thing I love about the show is that every single moment is saturated with beauty, whether it's the acting or the costuming or the bloody CINEMATOGRAPHY. Can we talk about the cinematography for a second please? That bit in The Great Game where Sherlock examines the letter with the phone in it and holds it up to the light to look at the writing and then he cuts it open and all the dust motes spill out? I think about that seriously like every day.
One thing that I really didn't expect to like about it is that it makes London look really cool. I'm not particularly fond of London but the show makes it look fucking badass, even though you only really see it in cab window reflections.
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Post by Mr. Keichi on Mar 16, 2012 18:30:01 GMT -5
It makes me want to die.
Yeah the CBS thing.. I was stoked to hear they put Lucy Liu in John's place, enough to make me want to watch it, but now that I've seen this one I just don't want to hahahha.
I know exactly what you are talking about when he opens the envelope and it is so.. satisfying. He cut it so precisely and the sound is a;ldkfj and the lighting is so good. God. The shots of the city are always perfectly used, angles are always perfect, and just.. yeah, the cinematography is A+.
And it totally does.. I mean I always thought England in general would be a nice visit, specifically London I guess, but the show makes me actively want to go to London.
Alright and I've asked a few English people this already but do you guys really drink that much tea over there? So much tea.
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