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Post by Imhotep on Feb 7, 2010 18:04:46 GMT -5
Matt, I think you'd like this. It's sort of post-rock meets dubstep/electronica. Really great song.
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Post by Alex on Feb 7, 2010 19:21:49 GMT -5
I don't really get this stuff. It sounds like what the failing people in my music theory class recorded for their final projects.
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Post by Imhotep on Feb 7, 2010 19:49:02 GMT -5
Yeah, I'd like to see someone in your class tell me what kind of polyrhythms are in a Zomby song and how to make a drum beat like that Mount Kimbie song. The level of musicianship in a dubstep song is probably a hundred times more complicated than the shit that Broadway Calls, or any other band this board goes nuts over, puts out.
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Post by Alex on Feb 7, 2010 21:40:13 GMT -5
Regardless of the level of musicianship, it just doesn't sound good to me. It's the same reason why I don't like some kinds of modern art, it doesn't matter how much effort, skill, or technique went into making it, it still looks like cat puke to me. I'm not saying it's bad, it's just not my thing.
Do they perform this stuff live? How much of it do they play and how much is backing tracks?
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Post by Imhotep on Feb 7, 2010 22:04:25 GMT -5
It's like a DJ set. Like every other electronic musician.
And normally I wouldn't even mention the musicianship, but you brought it up. I fucking hate the argument that you automatically can't dislike something if you can't play it, so I hate to mention it.
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Post by Alex on Feb 7, 2010 22:12:03 GMT -5
I've never gone to see any electronic stuff live, so I'm not really sure how that works.
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Post by Imhotep on Feb 7, 2010 22:21:02 GMT -5
It's more about listening to it on a huge system that is loud. It's more of a party type thing than a band playing.
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Post by Alex on Feb 7, 2010 22:42:42 GMT -5
Thanks, that's kind of how I thought it worked. I think I've seen videos of VNV Nation playing some synth stuff at the same time so I wasn't really sure how much the musician usually "plays".
I liked that song better, it had a better flow to it than most of the other songs you posted. I think I'm just a musical luddite though, there's not too much electronic stuff I like. Have you ever listened to any of Steve Reich's stuff? I think you'd like some of it, a lot of electronic bands cite him as an influence. He's a minimalist composer who does a lot of neat stuff with polyrhythyms and psychoacoustics. His easiest work to get into is Music For 18 Musicians, but the rest is interesting too.
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Post by Imhotep on Feb 7, 2010 22:49:58 GMT -5
Yeah! I love Music For 18 Musicians and a lot of other minimal composers like Terry Riley and John Cage, but Gavin Bryars is probably my favorite.
The last video I posted was mainly an example of how live electronic music works, I don't even know what song that is, it's just Flying Lotus (one of my favs) playing the song. Some electronic musicians play synths and stuff, but all the live electronic music I've seen is mainly just laptops. I'm just curious what song you listened to that you thought sounded like people in your music theory class.
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Post by Alex on Feb 7, 2010 23:21:54 GMT -5
That last Mount Kimbie one in particular, it really just sounds like somebody fucking around in ProTools or Freestyle or whatever program we had to use. Complicated rhythms aren't too difficult to record when you can do it one beat at a time and put it exactly where you want it. When Frank Zappa plays 27 over 3 it's a fucking feat, but when it's done electronically it just sounds like a computer spazzing out to me. A lot of people in the class just played random stuff and used trial and error until they came up with something that sounded vaguely musical. I don't know why, but it doesn't bother me quite so much listening to bands who essentially do the same thing but with instruments. I guess I'm making some kind of arbitrary distinction, but I can't really help what I like.
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Post by Imhotep on Feb 7, 2010 23:37:22 GMT -5
In that Mount Kimbie song, the "wonky", syncopated drums at the beginning set up a sort of context for the more groove-oriented drums that come a few measures later. I like when drums are stuttery, then evolve into a nice head-nodding groove. Did you listen to the whole song?
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Post by Alex on Feb 8, 2010 0:18:27 GMT -5
I listened to it at least four times trying to make some sense out of it, but I'm just not feeling it.
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Post by Imhotep on Feb 8, 2010 0:26:52 GMT -5
Haha, I've listened to it about 20 times today, but I just really love that song. That's not really a good example of what dubstep is like, though. It's pretty weird, and not even really dubstep at all, just put out on a dubstep label and they're sort of well known in the scene I guess.
Except for the weird horn lead melody, this song is a pretty generic dubstep song. Almost everything I've been posting is called 'wonky' because it's hard to classify. A lot of people just call them like "left field beats" or something like that.
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Post by claire on Feb 9, 2010 2:14:09 GMT -5
I'm gonna step in for a sec and mention something about the 'musicianship' involved in dubstep or any other kind of electronic music 'cause actual DJing is kind of an incredible technical skill, and those who wreak the decks well are always pretty astonishing to me. I know a lot of DJs nowadays don't even use turntables, or use them with Serato or Ableton or even fuckin' Traktor, but there's a lot who do it on wax, and I think that's sweet.
I don't know if it's that comparable to other music, it's just pretty different in its production, reproduction and aims. When you go see a DJ, you're more likely going to a "party" than a "concert," which sort of speaks to it, I guess. Haha.
I'm getting sort of rambley. But uh. I don't know. I have a lot of friends who DJ and I've been exposed to that culture/mentality by proxy.
Also I dig on that club shit.
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Post by Imhotep on Feb 9, 2010 15:29:04 GMT -5
I agree, Claire, but even the production takes a lot of musicianship.
I wish I could learn how to DJ.
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Post by claire on Feb 10, 2010 1:02:30 GMT -5
It's hard. There's a pair of Technics 1200s and a couple crates full of club records in the other room, and I'll fuck around with them sometimes, but I can only manage to beat-match with Baltimore Club Classics records.
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Post by crimeinnich on Apr 14, 2010 16:41:06 GMT -5
www.myspace.com/excisionI'm going to see this guy on Friday night. It'll be the first time I've ever been to this kind of "concert" and I'm fucking stoked. EDIT: I still don't know how to use the internet.
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Post by Imhotep on Apr 14, 2010 16:59:49 GMT -5
I'm not a huge fan of just all wobbles, but I have a soft spot for Datsik and Excision. Should be a fun show.
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Post by hiddenwheel on Apr 14, 2010 23:27:12 GMT -5
It's hard. There's a pair of Technics 1200s and a couple crates full of club records in the other room, and I'll fuck around with them sometimes, but I can only manage to beat-match with Baltimore Club Classics records. Beat matching is the hardest goddamn thing in the world. Me and a friend of mine tried that shit and it just did not work. Kudos to those who can do that shit, for real.
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Post by claire on Apr 15, 2010 2:52:37 GMT -5
I'm not a huge fan of just all wobbles Oh man, I went to see some local DJs a couple weeks ago, and their whole set was just straight, bassy wobble. Like, nothing else. No contrast. JUST. WOBBLING. BASS. It woulda been cool if they'd, you know, adjusted the tempo or worked on some peaks and valleys or some shit, but it was just exhausting and annoying to listen to. Sean, yeah. Matt and a lot of my friends are DJ brahs and I'm just at a loss as to what they're doing with those damn records.
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Post by crimeinnich on Apr 15, 2010 9:00:26 GMT -5
Apparently we're not going anymore because one of the dude's we were going with couldn't get an ID. I was so pumped, too.
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Post by Valentina on Jun 30, 2010 22:22:31 GMT -5
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Post by hiddenwheel on Jul 1, 2010 22:53:19 GMT -5
man, dubstep is the shit for real.
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Post by Imhotep on Jul 4, 2010 17:55:19 GMT -5
If you ever have the chance to go to a dubstep or any instrumental beat show, GO. I saw Teebs, Shlomo, Dr. Strangeloop, Eskmo and Timeboy last weekend and it was one of the coolest things I've ever heard.
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Post by hiddenwheel on Jul 4, 2010 20:20:01 GMT -5
i live in Portland, man, i'm sure i've missed out on like a billion of those shows but i'm sure there's another billion coming up, haha. i'll keep an eye out though.
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Post by jeremyzero on Jul 6, 2010 15:34:00 GMT -5
Hmm... I don't know. I like electronic music and all, but this is kinda weird. Is there like a good primer/starter comp or something I could download?
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Post by claire on Jul 6, 2010 15:44:54 GMT -5
i live in Portland, man, i'm sure i've missed out on like a billion of those shows but i'm sure there's another billion coming up, haha. i'll keep an eye out though. Check out this record label. They have a ton of their records at Anthem Records and 360 (dunno if you've been to the latter yet, it's a tiny shop off Burnside--maybe Burnside and Park? I don't remember. It caters mostly to DJs, but they have a ton of cool stuff).
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Post by Imhotep on Jul 13, 2010 15:22:08 GMT -5
Hmm... I don't know. I like electronic music and all, but this is kinda weird. Is there like a good primer/starter comp or something I could download? this this is a pretty good start, it's a compilation from Hyperdub, some of the songs posted in this thread are on there.
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Post by Imhotep on Sept 12, 2010 17:22:35 GMT -5
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Post by charles21 on Sept 28, 2010 11:36:56 GMT -5
Ahhh how the fuck did I miss this thread?
For those asking where to start; it really depends on the style you're looking for. Filthy, wobble, tribal, chill-out, garage-style, up-step. I'll link some examples later if people are interested.
Has anyone heard of Outlook festival? Totally went to that this year, best 4 days of my recent life.
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