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Post by Deleted on Nov 13, 2011 23:00:43 GMT -5
OH, I forgot about that astoundingly stupid line Glenn had about the women being on their periods. I want to find who wrote that scene and punch them in the face. Yes -_________- I hated that scene.
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Post by Meredith on Nov 13, 2011 23:30:38 GMT -5
I fucking love Maggie so far, she's one of my favorite characters from the comic and I'm so glad they are doing her character justice.
I really liked this episode for its character development (and, let's face it, I was fangirling hard over Norman Reedus most of the time), but I'm still really fucking frustrated with how slow the plot is moving. They picked it up a bit with the ending, now that we are FINALLY to the "surprise" in the barn, so I'm hoping this shows a turn in the pacing, because good god. Kind of tired of the "group wanders aimlessly through the woods looking for Sophia" plot.
And I loved Daryl flinching away from Carol when she bent down to kiss him on the forehead. I like that Daryl is so much more complex than he was last season. Honestly, didn't really care about his character at all last season and didn't care much going into this season, and they are making a believer out of me.
I'm now waiting up for Michael Rooker on Talking Dead, SO EXCITED I love that guy.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 15, 2011 23:23:34 GMT -5
Guys what if Sophia got eaten by the barn walkers D:
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Post by sarah on Nov 16, 2011 4:17:42 GMT -5
I have to admit, I was totally looking for her when they finally showed the walkers in the barn
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Post by Haras Nosnhoj on Nov 16, 2011 16:04:10 GMT -5
I was thinking that they'd be like out walking about and then hear a walker and turn to look and it's her. Either way, if she comes back as a walker that would be intense.
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Post by Meredith on Nov 18, 2011 21:32:14 GMT -5
You know what would be super intense? If Merle has Sophia. Longshot, but I think it would make an interesting confrontation.
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Post by Michelle on Nov 21, 2011 10:12:57 GMT -5
I was a little lost this week because I've missed the past 3(?) I think. I figured most of the plot line I missed out and I really enjoyed this episode! Lots of stuff going on; just needed a little more zombie killing!
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Post by Meredith on Nov 21, 2011 18:20:58 GMT -5
Man, a whole lot of shit went down last night. One of the better episodes of the season, in my opinion, and mostly because they FINALLY moved several plot points along. Fucking LOVED the Andrea badassness. From her becoming a fucking awesome shooter to her jumping Shane's bones, I was cheering her on the whole time. Also loved the Maggie and Glenn cuteness, and seeing Glenn actually step up a little bit and become more of a leader. AND HOLY SHIT, THE CONVERSATION RICK AND LORI HAD AT THE END. I did not see that coming, what with her confessing what happened between her and Shane. Just, fucking woah. (possible comic spoilers below) Now that Carl is learning how to shoot, and Shane is obviously going off his rocker a bit (what with Dale confronting him and everything and the way Shane reacted to that), I kind of feel like that scene is coming very, very soon, or at least by the end of the season. It just sort of feels like that's where they are going with that.
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Post by Meredith on Nov 27, 2011 22:10:24 GMT -5
I.....I just can't even process what just happened. I think I'm mainly kind of stunned because, since I've read the comics, I kind of felt like I had a general understanding of how the story was going to play out, and who was going to survive and who wasn't. So killing off Sophia this early on....my mind is completely blown. They kind of fucking went there, and now I'm not sure of who is going to survive and who isn't.
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Post by Super Nintendo Chalmers on Nov 27, 2011 22:15:20 GMT -5
Comic spoilers ahoy: Yeah, they're really throwing out the comic story now. I kind of like how they handled the barn situation more than in the comic: it has way more impact to kill off a big character than to kill off a bunch who we barely even know.
I have a feeling this is going to have a HUGE impact on Carl and Daryl. Carl because Sophia is his friend throughout the comic, and Daryl because he was so emotionally invested in finding her and was so convinced she was still alive. That, and he almost died looking for her. It might send him off the deep end.
And damn you Dale for making me side with Shane.
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Post by Meredith on Nov 28, 2011 1:30:49 GMT -5
Can I just say how awesome it was when Carl stood up to Shane? "WELL THAT'S BULLSHIT!" Love that kid.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 28, 2011 12:58:40 GMT -5
Yes, I loved Carl for that. The ending of this episode made me cry a little
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Post by sarah on Nov 28, 2011 22:13:13 GMT -5
The moment when Glenn looked to Maggie first to see what she wanted him to do kind of broke my heart a little. She had already started to change to thinking of them as walkers rather than her family, but that nod she gave him just made me so sad.
And I'm kind of curious... And damn you Dale for making me side with Shane. How so?
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Post by Super Nintendo Chalmers on Nov 28, 2011 22:19:08 GMT -5
Because Dale's been an insufferable prick the last few episodes. He's way too up in Andrea's shit, and his suspicions that Shane killed Otis are waaaaaay too on the nose (but that's a writing problem, I guess). Shane's an asshole, but at least with a lot of his behavior, it's driven by trying to be practical about what they're up against. I'm firmly in his camp of "we've got all the guns, so fuck Herschel."
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Post by Pillars of Aaron on Nov 28, 2011 22:29:03 GMT -5
Dale's one of my favorite characters, but that's probably just me.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 28, 2011 22:44:34 GMT -5
I'm not really sure how I feel about Dale. He really needs to stop being so protective of Andrea. But he also sees how fucked up Shane is and yeah.
And before I didn't really care about Glenn and Maggie's relationship but this last episode made me LOVE them together. I hope nothing bad happens to them ;~;
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Post by Super Nintendo Chalmers on Nov 28, 2011 23:04:32 GMT -5
Well, that's what's great about the moral ambiguity of the comic. Sometimes the shittiest person is also right.
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Post by sarah on Nov 29, 2011 12:09:46 GMT -5
I pretty much see Shane as the type of guy who is totally your buddy until things don't go his way, then BAM. And even from the first moment, that first conversation in the car between him and Rick, he came off as a total ass. It seemed like maybe he was getting some sort of growth and redemption when he was sort of the main protector of the group, but with Rick back, the bitter...oh the bitter. And I can totally agree with the moral ambiguity thing. I just fall somewhere between the two groups. Herschel clearly does not really know what's going on with the walkers, but what Shane did at the end felt more like murder than anything else in the show...even him shooting Otis. That felt like a truly reprehensible, but morally gray thing. But him letting the walkers out to mow them down just felt wrong. Even before Sophia came out, the whole thing was already tragic. Clearly, there is something absolutely dangerous and not right about keeping that many walkers in your barn for crying out loud, but just like the man who first helped Rick, is it so wrong to not be able to shoot your own family? Even when you know it's the "right" thing to do. I think that's why even though it's been so super slow, the moral ambiguity and morass-ish-ness of this season has been enough to keep me interested.
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Post by Meredith on Nov 30, 2011 11:59:02 GMT -5
They were talking about on the Talking Dead about how they made the makeup on the zombies in the barn less grotesque and made them look much more human than they have been doing, which was really smart. It really does make it feel more like a massacre, like the group was just mowing down these people mercilessly. And having Sophia come out of the end kind of threw into light just how...horrible their actions were. They mowed down those people in front of their families, and it's easier to do something like that when it's not your own kin, but then Sophia comes out and it's just...god. And Shane may be the type of person who can kill zombies for the safety of the ones he loves because he feels it's necessary, but Rick is the type of person who can step up and do the unthinkable and shoot someone they all care about because it's the compassionate thing to do. Rick also knows the difference between keeping the peace and keeping everyone safe, and I think in this situation keeping the peace would have ultimately kept them safe. If they had learned to function as a cohesive unit with the farm people, they would have been able to stay and that would have been the safest option. But Shane kind of fucked that all to hell.
If you had told me, when Daryl first came on screen last year, that he'd be the type of person who would hold Carol back and comfort her during that, I wouldn't have believed you. I love me some Norman Reedus, but I wasn't crazy about his character last season, but he's grown so much and becomes such a dynamic and interesting character that I'm totally on Team Daryl now. I also almost kind of feel that he might be more messed up about Sophia being a zombie than Carol will be. At the beginning of the episode it seemed like Carol was more accepting of the fact that Sophia was probably dead, and was just holding out hope for the sake of Daryl. Daryl's whole back story is that no one ever looked out for him, and he stepped out and looked out for Sophia when it seemed like no one else was going to. And now it seems like that was all for nothing, and I don't know how that character can hand that amount of supposed failure. Daryl was raised to be violent, and I hope he doesn't go off the deep end and forget his compassionate character.
Maggie and Glenn are like, my one shining beacon of happiness in this show, haha. I love every single time they are on screen together, and that look Glenn gave Maggie before he went to kill the zombies in the barn broke my fucking heart.
And I like Dale. I think he sees situations much more clearly than other people, and out of the entire group I think he has the firmest sense of morality. He may not be built for this world, but he's got the moral fortitude to make sure he doesn't spiral into something monstrous. Shane can make those hard decisions (like mowing down those zombies in the barn), but what's scary is those decisions....aren't hard for him. And they really, really should be. You're dealing with humanity and life and death here, and there is something missing in you if you can just shut that off.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 30, 2011 12:37:12 GMT -5
Yeah, I'm really worried about Daryl, too
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Post by Jessticles on Nov 30, 2011 14:56:37 GMT -5
Am I the only one who totally saw the Sophie thing? I knew that's what was up when they all gathered at the barn.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 30, 2011 15:11:34 GMT -5
I had a feeling it was going to happen, but I didn't expect to feel as emotional about it as I did
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Post by Meredith on Nov 30, 2011 20:02:14 GMT -5
I'm kind of surprised I didn't see it coming, at all. Like, I saw in the opening credits that Maddie was in the episode, so I was all "Oh finally, they are going to find Sophia!" And the episode just kept pulling on and on, and when they gathered aroun the barn I remember thinking "There are only five minutes left in the episode, is she just going to...wander ontothe farm or something?" I thought that she might get hit by a stray bullet or something. I didn't catch on until you hear that one last groan in the barn, and it seriously....ton of bricks.
And yeah, I didn't think I'd be that emotional at all either. I think it was mostly ecause A) I'd read the comics and just KNEW in my heart they wouldn't kill her off because she's in the comics and B) This is TV, of course we'll get a happy ending! There's no possible way that they would do such a horrible thing to such a sweet little girl!
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Post by Tanya on Dec 2, 2011 1:00:50 GMT -5
Haha I brought up her maybe being in the barn to my brother a couple episodes from the end but we decided that was stupid because why would Hershel have let them go on looking for her if he knew. But then after it happened we realized he couldn't because then they'd know about the barn at all. I just watched the whole half of the season in one sit down session. And now I have to sleep here alone tonight.
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Post by mandate of heaven on Dec 10, 2011 20:29:14 GMT -5
The pacing in this show is so awful. I'm really tired of watching 40 minutes of dreadful dialogue and predictable character development just for 2 minutes of zombie slaying and the climax at the end of the episode.
Here's to hoping the second half of the season picks it up.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 10, 2011 20:36:36 GMT -5
Yeah, hopefully when it comes back, the pacing gets changed, because ugh, every single time I watched it, and was frustrated with it, I kept saying how it had to get better next episode. But nope.
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Post by mandate of heaven on Dec 10, 2011 21:21:16 GMT -5
My little sister is 13, and had never even heard of the show before. She was bored and watched the mid-season finale with me. She was able to guess that Sophia would be in the barn. Haha.
If the writers thought pulling out the first half of the season would make the big Sophia reveal more shocking, they were mistaken. I feel like I wasted my time with this first half.
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Post by Pillars of Aaron on Feb 13, 2012 13:17:55 GMT -5
Don't know about everyone else, but I thought last night's episode was the worst episode yet. A whole lot of filler. What was the point of that arm falling from the truck? The scene where Rick's waiting by the car for Glenn and he's in the background talking to Maggie for like 10 minutes? Yawn fest. Didn't even bother to pay attention to the last 5 minutes of the episode. And why did Lori leave to get Herschel when Rick was getting Herschel? And why is she leaving Carl when she was getting on Rick's ass about leaving Carl? Why did they not touch more on Maggie knowing Sophia was in the barn? It was just like, "She knew after all? Oh ok." And what the fuck is Herschel gonna do if they don't get off his land? Call the cops?
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Post by Super Nintendo Chalmers on Feb 13, 2012 14:49:51 GMT -5
They really are just fucking awful at writing the women. Almost everything Andrea or Lori has done lately has been irrational/stupid.
I thought it was a mediocre episode until the end. Then it was fucking awesome.
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Post by Jessticles on Feb 14, 2012 12:01:59 GMT -5
Meh.
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